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Ideal Conceal Update

I got another update email from Ideal Conceal. For those of you who’ve forgotten this because it’s been so long since they said the gun would be available yet never appeared, this is the “cell phone gun.”

Nothing in this update gives me any reason to believe the thing is not vaporware at best. But I see that Ideal Conceal finally got a Type 07 Manufacturer FFL. I guess the Big Lake FFL friend Kjellberg said would do the manufacturing wanted no part of this. Which might explain why I was unable to find an Type 07 FFL there who would admit to being involved. But the address given is an office building that still listed as “for sale.” I wonder if the ATF has inspected his shop, and if it was there or at his home.

For the longest time, the pistol was computer renderings and photoshopped stock images. Then it was a 3D-printed inop model. After that, it supposedly became real, but failed in testing. All along, they’d announce new, pushed back availability dates. And finally stopped giving dates.

In this new video, seemingly recorded in Kjellberg’s home (we never see shop facilities; I wonder why), we learn that they seem to have abandoned 3D printing, and possibly abandoned the injection molding we heard about in March. Now it’s machined. We’re treated to blurry video of printed out photos of what are alleged to be machined parts (enough for 10 guns) and a print-out of a computer rendering of the fire control assembly.

One commenter said:

It would be nice to have an actual projection of when we should expect to see the product finished and for sale! This process is really dragging out without a real commencement date. Disappointing to say the least.

Which is pretty reasonable. When the company has claimed that it was taking orders, it’s fair for folks to wonder what frickin’ year this thing might ship. If ever. Kjellberg disagrees:

Wondering how many projects you have taken from a thought to a napkin to production? We are just a couple of people, not a big company. Also if you watched the video, we started over in January to give you the best product. Perhaps this looks easy, but to make a light, tight pistol and do it on a tight budget takes time.

Funny thing: I worked on a project for a telecom company; low-voltage monitors for remote site alarm monitoring. With about for people, we went from the idea, to a circuit schematic, to designed final product in an enclosure, parts ordering,through assembly (including etching circuit boards ourselves), followed by field testing, production, and delivery of 100% tested units to the field. In about three months.*

We were able to do that because we knew what we were doing, and intended to deliver a real product. Kjellberg and Ideal Conceal? I’m thinking not so much on either count.

Designing a gun does take time. But do you think John Browning took advance orders from 4,000 retail customers before he finalized the 1911 design?

On the other hand… In Browning’s 71 years, he designed at least 39 firearms that went into full production. Assuming he started designing the day he was born, that’s an average of 1.8 years per design. In fact, he started learning in his dad’s shop at 7, so the average comes down to 1.6 years per design. Kjellberg is at 1.1 years in designing a basic derringer and counting.


* Heh. That was twenty-something years back. I still have the schematic, BOM, and installation instructions. Looks like I lost the circuit board mask, though.

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Ideal Conceal Regurgitated

For vaporware, the Ideal Conceal “cell phone” gun is nearly as persistent as Duke Nukem Forever.

But Duke Nukem finally released. It took 15 years, but it did arrive at long last.

I still have my doubts about the mystery photoshop whose production somehow keeps getting pushed back. Why, that known victim disarmer even claimed to be “taking orders” before he had a licensed manufacturer.

As I said, it just isn’t quite going away.

Because it still isn’t happening.

Yep, a “couple of small issues” have delayed the release (last scheduled for a month ago). Supposedly they’re testing to ensure it can sustain multiple firings. Because it hasn’t so far; “stress fractures.” Perhaps they need to hire an Afghani weapons developer. Industry “experts,” eh? Top. Men.

Not even a tentative release date anymore. And for the record, to date Ideal Conceal has not said who their licensed manufacturer is, nor have any of the licensed companies that match the minimal description Kjellberg gave admitted to being involved in any way.

It is looks like duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, there’s a fair chance this is just another gun control scam.

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Ideal Conceal Revisited

The Ideal Conceal saga drags on. I received an email from Ideal Conceal. Amusingly, Thunderbird warns, “This message may be a scam.”

Apparently just to reinforce the idea that he knows nothing about firearms, the email includes a photo of someone boogerhooking the bangswitch. Granted, it’s a plastic model (no real prototype exists yet), but it’s supposed to be demonstrating what the real thing will be like.

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We wanted to keep our supporters updated!

Here’s the thing; I did not anticipate the HUGE outpouring of support and interest in Ideal Conceal as it went viral! While I am eternally grateful for your support; frankly I was not as well prepared as I could have been!
In the last month Ideal Conceal has received in excess of 14,000 emails and are receiving hundreds of emails per day!

In order to provide the level of service I insist on, I had to step up to a different email platform. Because of this much needed upgrade, some of you are hearing from us again or perhaps for the first time.

If I am late in replying, I am very sorry for any delay in getting back to you. If you have a question that has not yet been answered, click here: myidealconceal@gmail.com

* We are not yet taking pre-orders, but we are working on it. If you are interested in pre-ordering, we’ll put you on our list. Click here to join that list: http://eepurl.com/bYnxa5

* We are working with a distributor. If you are interested in being added to our dealer contacts, click here to be join that list: http://eepurl.com/bYhzDX

HERE IS THE RUNDOWN on Ideal Conceal
I will have a firing prototype early summer and you will be the first to see it. Ideal Conceal will go to production in October.

This pistol is a 2 shot derringer with a fixed sight. It has a polymer shell and steel components that make up the firing mechanisms. Specs will be available once the firing prototype is completed.

This pistol will not currently be legal in California or Massachusetts, but we are hoping to have a compliant model in early 2017.

Distribution will be national with an expected sale price of $395.
We currently are not selling internationally, but will be doing so in the very near future.

Of course you can also keep tabs on us from our Facebook page!

Please visit our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/IDEAL-Conceal-patent-pending-546358565518939/?ref=bookmarks

Kind Regards,
The Ideal Conceal, Inc. Team

This is getting a little elaborate for an anti-RKBA hoax, but I’m still leaning strongly towards that: no prototype, but announces a price and says production will start in October? He says he has an FFL to manufacture, but doesn’t say who? No one to whom I’ve reached out will admit to being the manufacturer yet.

On the other hand, he went to the trouble of figuring out that Kommiefornia and Taxachusetts won’t allow his “pistol.”

On the gripping hand, that could just be meant to provide some plausibility, because it seems he didn’t notice that New York probably won’t either.

Sorry, Kjellberg; you need to do better than that to convince me.

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[Update 3] – I’m fairly sure that “iPhone gun” is a hoax

You’ve seen the hype over the Ideal Conceal “phone gun.” Who hasn’t?

But I’ll bet you haven’t seen a photograph of it. Every picture I can find is a computer-rendered image taken from the company web site.

Like this one:

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Now look closely at that hand gripping the “gun.”

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Try it yourself. Hold your phone (or paperback book, or any rectangular thingie) by the corner like that. It’s a poor photoshop. Even the street scene.

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Look familiar?

I emailed Ideal Conceal (and why do you suppose he’s using Gmail, instead of a more professional-apppearing idealconceal.com email address?) to ask for a photograph of the actual prototype; the idea being to establish that a real, physical product exists. Or not.

Kjellberg sent two more renderings. No photographs. Interestingly, the two image files are named “phun-gun-img-003e.jpg” and “phun-gun-img-004b.png.”

Phun = Fun? How professional.

When I pointed out that I wanted a photograph as a response to those who doubt the existence of the Ideal Conceal, he replied:

Unfortunately we don’t have a prototype that we are showing to the public. I have told every news agency and persons who contact us that info.

We will be releasing video etc when it is ready.

Doubters with doubt….

Thanks Kirk Kjellberg

Kjellberg  claims he’ll be building these guns. That’s real interesting, because the ATF only shows Ideal Conceal having a Type 01 dealer license. More interesting is the address given for Ideal Conceal: 4300 SCHOOL BOULEVARD

It’s currently up for sale, according to that link. An office building, not a factory.

A whois on the domain idealconceal.com shows:

Updated Date: 29-jan-2016
Creation Date: 16-aug-2015
Expiration Date: 16-aug-2016

A one year registration? Expiring before he plans to start shipping in October?

Whois also shows a different street address than that in the ATF records: 9127 Highway 25. I doubt that he’s manufacturing an oversized, stupidly designed derringer there, either. Since he claims he’s already taken 4,000 preorders, he’d better find — and equip… and man — a factory fast.

Especially if he’s taken money in advance on those preorders, someone might want to talk to the Minnesota Attorney General about potential fraud.

Or not. Maybe he isn’t accepting payments yet.

So if it isn’t a financial scam, what might be motivating the guy?

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Thanks to Mitchell Boone for finding that F******k post. If you’re having trouble reading that, it says:


Kirk Ennis Kjellburg
December 19, 2012
Dear Gun Lovers, let me introduce you to playground rules. When enough stupid kids can’t play say king of the hill nicely, they take away the hill. Use your brain, somehow this has to stop. Shouting for gun rights when the bodies of 20 children lay dead is about as selfish as it gets…

Yep. He wants to punish everyone who didn’t do it for the actions of Some Asshole who killed his mother and stole her guns to go on a rampage. Some pro-gun advocate.

I think we’re looking at the same sort of anti-RKBA action as the bogus RNC open carry petition. An attempt to embarrass gun owners and make us look bad.

Perhaps my guess is incorrect. If Kjellberg wishes to correct any misconceptions, I’d like him to answer some questions, and provide a little data.

Unless and until we hear from Kjellberg, I certainly wouldn’t advise anyone to preorder an Ideal Conceal pistol.

Update, 4/12/16: Aha! I found an article that I missed in the last round.

“Right now there isn’t a firing prototype all I have is a plastic model of it so once there’s a firing prototype people will feel more comfortable about how it deploys, how it shoots and that kind of stuff”, said Kjellberg.

I was right: No prototype; just a nonfunctional plastic model. Since he claims he’ll be shipping in five or six months, that motivational speaker/claims adjuster/microwave salesman better hurry up and get a manufacturer’s license, not to mention someone capable of designing a working gun since his LinkedIn page doesn’t suggest any engineering experience or training.

And no, Kjellberg has not contacted me to answer any of the above questions.

Update 2, 4/14/16: Kjellberg is now admitting that he is not a licensed manufacturer.The current story is:

“He isn’t properly licensed to manufacture such a weapon, though, so he connected with a friend at a Big Lake engineering company that has federal clearance for weapon design.”

I see three type 07 FFLs in Big Lake:

Interestingly, Bondhus Arms is marketing its own .380 concealment pistol, the CL380.

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While there does seem to be a working prototype, and they have a real approved patent, it doesn’t seem to be for sale yet (“later this year”). I wonder if Bondhus Arms would actually build its competitor’s .380.

I’ve sent messages to MPI and Bondhus asking if they are the manufacturer Kjellberg mentions. I’ve also contacted the ATF with some general inquiries (AOW, etc.).

Nope; nothing from Kjellberg yet.

Update 3, 4/15/16: Still nothing from Kjellberg. But the ATF responded. A company has problems when it’s response time is worse than a federal bureaucracy.

Basically, since Kjellberg doesn’t have even a prototype, and apparently hasn’t submitted anything to the ATF, they couldn’t answer most of my questions. I got the extremely vague answer I expected.

Mr. Bussjaeger: Thank you for your inquiry and concern in regards to the pistol that appears to be a cellphone. As ATF understands it, the proposed manufacturer of this firearm does not even yet have an operable prototype. If the company chooses, it can submit to ATF for determination the classification of the firearm. The ATF enforces two primary Federal firearms laws: the Gun Control Act (GCA) and the National Firearms Act (NFA). Based on the information ATF currently has on this proposed firearm, it would be lawful to manufacture under the Gun Control Act (GCA). So, to address your concerns: Based on what ATF knows of this proposed firearm at this time, it would be both lawful to manufacture and own/possess under Federal firearms laws. Again, ATF’s responsibility is to enforce Federal firearms laws as they exist and as stated, based on what ATF currently knows about the proposed firearm it would be lawful under current Federal firearms laws. Thank you.

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