The Parkland students “working” for gun controlmass human/civil rights violations want to have a rational discussion of their goals, without “threats”:
“Instigating.” Remind me again of who is calling innocent people murderers. “Instigating” is responding to false accusations and rights violations?
Grow up.
Never Again MSD was offered a a chance to state their goals, to describe the laws they think will accomplish them. The Zelman Partisans gave them the opportunity to have published a detailed column, without any redactions, edits, or commentary. Since it seemed unlikely they’d see that offer on our web site, we also reached out to them multiple times through emails, Twitter, Facebook, and even gab.ai. Their response?
-crickets-
So we tried again.
-crickets-
It occurred to me that, having grown accustomed to accommodating moderators and “journalists” prompting them, they might need a little help focusing. I reached out yet again with a request for a simple email interview. It wouldn’t even be interactive, where I could spring surprise questions on them. I provided a list of prepared questions to which they could provide carefully crafted answers without time pressure.
-crickets-
Please note that I have been unable to determine a single person authorized to speak for Never Again MSD, which provides them with deniability when some Parkland student who self-identifies as NA MSD makes vague, ludicrous, and irresponsible statements.
But perhaps I’m being unfair. After all, these are students who may be busy with cla… oh. Wait. These are former students who claim they won’t return to classes until our rights are shredded.
Still, they do seem to keep busy, with oddly nonadversarial interviews, in which the ” the moderator did not stop to challenge in what amounted to a circus show.”
David Hogg says white privilege is one of the biggest obstacles he’s faced in his anti-gun agenda,
…says the white kid getting a pass from the media.
Cameron Kasky says mass shootings like Parkland “happen everyday.”
…says one of the founders of NA MSD, who one might think speaks officially for the group. And who is blissfully unaware that school shootings are down. Even leftist NPR knows that.
These students do have time for interviews, or to pen a column outlining their… beliefs. But somehow they will only spend that time with over-friendly venues that won’t point out their empirical lack of clothes. Venues and “journalists” who enable their ignorance.
They’re afraid of being questioned, of being called out on facts. Afraid of anything but basking in their 15 minutes of lamestream media adoration.
That they won’t even try to state their goals with clarity and specificity indicates that they know they are pushing bullshit. They even refuse to name a spokesman who can be held to account.
The cowardly little schoolyardtruant bullies enjoy their life of lies too much to bravely face a less accepting commentariat.
Their only real convictions are that they are entitled to abuse and accuse the innocent, to trample on rights, and cry when someone disagrees.
[And poor little David Hogg appears to be giving up on going to college…
…what with all those rejection letters. Perhaps those colleges saw your interviews and concluded that you’re not very bright, and likely to be a campus troublemaker. That your education to date is inadequate for collegiate studies. Possibly even, they realized that under Florida law skipping too many days of class makes you ineligible for a diploma, and won’t waste a college slot on a drop-out. Funny thing…
Back in the day, I applied to several colleges. I was accepted by all of them. I went to then-Southwestern at Memphis on a partial scholarship. And I wasn’t a “brilliant” young “victim” on whose words CNN clung.]
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It seems that recently Fredericka Whitfield, a cnn #FakeNews anchor had a segment talking about the school shooting in Florida. The one where the FIB ignored tips and the police never followed through on the myriad of calls they had on Bucket O-Chum. So guess who they had on as a SENIOR analyst? Yep, an FIB dude. Some guy named Tom Fuentes. Tom is everything cnn #FakeNews would want in a senior analyst and everything we would expect in a cnn analyst. Tom thinks female teachers are incapable of carrying concealed.
And then the fact that they have the gun come out when the uniformed police arrive and do what they’re supposed to do, run in, they’re liable to get killed because all the police are going to see is someone waving a gun around and they’re coming into an active shooter situation. So, you know, that adds to the danger.
And then one of the things that people don’t talk about, a lot of these schools — Sandy Hook had an all-female faculty from principal to teachers. And for a woman, where are you going to hide that gun during the day? You can’t put it in your desk drawer, somebody might steal it and you can’t get to it.
You’re not going to have it in a safe in the principal’s office, you can’t get to it. On your person, hiding it — if you wear a dress, if you wear a skirt, are you going to have to wear a jacket every day with a belt and a holster the way a detective, you know, on duty would do?
It’s not a real practical solution even for a variety of reasons much less being adept is more than just pulling the trigger and making the bullet go down range.
WHITFIELD: Right. And the comfort level, all of that. You know, so many teachers have arms open. They want to hug their kids. I remember that from my school teachers. And certainly that would present a real problem of where exactly to put the gun if it comes to that.
FUENTES: Oh, yes. The kids are going to be “hey, Miss Jones, are you packing?” I mean it’s just not a good situation for it.
WHITFIELD: All right. We’ll have you back. Tom Fuentes — thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Let’s start with that “waving a gun around” part. Apparently since Tom is former FIB, that type of behavior must be de rigueur for the FIB. When they aren’t running guns to Mexico. He must think armed citizens behave that way. We don’t. Tom has seen one too many movies apparently, I don’t care if they were training films telling the FIB how we, the unwashed masses behave. We don’t. We apparently behave far better than the FIB, since I wouldn’t, and don’t personally know concealed carry people that would behave in such a manner.
Shall we move on to the for a woman, where are you going to hide that gun during the day part?
I know, hard to believe this is a serious question. But like little Julie Bandaras from FOX who apparently doesn’t know anyone who has every bought a gun legally, this idiot doesn’t know any women who are smart enough to be prepared protect themselves.
In December 1972, a month after U.S. President Richard Nixon was reelected in a landslide victory, Kael gave a lecture at the Modern Language Association, during which she said, “I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them”
Then Fredericka of cnn #FakeNews chimes in,
You know, so many teachers have arms open. They want to hug their kids.
Right Fredericka, they are only capable of giving hugs, cause they’re women, right? If someone came in to hurt them, be it a crazed kid, pedophile, the unibomber, Chucky the killer clown, or muslims #ReligionOfPieces ala Beslan, they would only want to stand there and hug, they wouldn’t want to stop the SOB in it’s tracks right? Cause well, they’re women, and that’s all they can do? I have a hunch that “open arms” excuse is crap because in this age of #MeToo, I really doubt too many teachers feel safe to “hug” their students.
Ahh Tom and Fredericka, both up to cnn #FakeNews highest journalistic standards.
CNN has standards? Who knew!
So let’s talk about those elusive, at least for cnn #FakeNews journalistic standards.
Weinstein is correct when he writes, “The onus should be on those citizens who own the weapons technology, and purport to understand it, to share that understanding with the skeptical and less-informed.”
Beauchamp also notes that there’s a big difference between correcting a gun control advocate who’s “actually writing the legislation” versus “a random citizen deciding whether to support a new [assault weapons ban].”
And this is why that open discussion often doesn’t take place.
Because gun ban proponents don’t want to have a discussion. They just want to fling poo. The article continues.
It’s the ignorance of lawmakers, gun control activists, and media commentators that is inexcusable and insulting. Understanding the issue is the bare minimum required of their respective professions. Yet, so many simply refuse to learn the topic.
It’s things like Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., saying she opposes “rapid-fire magazines,” whatever those are. It’s things like Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., calling for a ban on “gas-assisted receiver firearms,” which are not real. It’s things like professional cable news commentator Steve Schmidt saying it’s harder to buy cough medicine than an AK-47, which is a damned, stupid lie.
No one would ever accept this level of ignorance and dishonesty in a similarly serious and emotionally charged debate.
No one would cheer if a pundit said it’s easier to get a late-term abortion than Sudafed. His audience would ask to see his homework. No one would shrug it off if a legislator incorrectly referred to a “trimester” as a “semester.”
……
Hell, no one would accept this level of ignorance from a traffic report. If a journalist referred to a pickup truck as an “auto-style speedbox,” he would rightly be laughed off the air.
Apparently neither Tom or Fredericka are aware that many everyday women are far more prepared to defend their animals, themselves and their homes than “progressive” women are to defend their children. It amuses me to think of the potential number of women these two twits may have passed on the street that are carrying concealed weapons.
So what it boils down to, Tom, is you are an ignorant, misogynistic, condescending miserable excuse for a man.
Women are capable of far more than you can even dream of. We cut down trees, we raise animals, children, work in the military, law enforcement, are legislators, take care of people and we can not only carry a firearm, we can deploy it and save the life of someone we care about. A concept foreign to you, the Sheriff of Coward county, and Captain Jan Jordan, who directed deputies to stage and form a perimeter outside Stoneman Douglas High School, rather than immediately entering the building during the mass shooting.
And ya’ll, ya’ll are the “professionals” that you and your ilk want us to leave our safety, and the safety of our families in your hands? Oh HECK no. No thanks you miserable wretch. Bless your heart.
This has been a surreal experience. I wanted to write a column about the goals of “Never Again MSD;” specifically the laws the group wants passed.
Despite hours of investigation, I couldn’t nail it down. I honestly can’t find any specific proposal put forth by the group or anyone clearly speaking as an official spokesman. I found vague offerings.
“Run by survivors of the Stoneman Douglas shooting. We are sick of the Florida lawmakers choosing money from the NRA over our safety. #NeverAgain”
— Never Again MSD, Facebook
They want a law against the NRA?
“We cannot allow one more child to be shot at school. We cannot allow one more teacher to make a choice to jump in front of a firing assault rifle to save the lives of students. We cannot allow one more family to wait for a call or text that never comes. Our schools are unsafe. Our children and teachers are dying. We must make it our top priority to save these lives. ”
— NPR story
That’s what they want. But how? What laws will do that? What American school has ever been shot up by someone using an assault rifle?
“We have to vote people out who have been paid for by the N.R.A. They’re allowing this to happen. They’re making it easier for people like Nick Cruz to acquire an AR-15.”
— Cameron Kasky, reported as the founder of NA MSD
That’s a little more specific: vote out anyone taking campaign donations from the NRA. Except the NRA wasn’t who allowed the person allegedly classified as a “vulnerable adult due to mental illness” to pass a NICS check; that’s on the government which failed to report a prohibited person.
“The thing that caused me grief, the thing that had no right to cause me grief, the thing that had no right to happen in the first place, I have to do something actively to prevent it from happening to somebody else.”
— Emma Gonzalez
Fine. But what? Be specific.
David Hogg says he won’t return to school until gun control is passed. Does the Florida legislation not count, or does he demand Congressional action? And what specific law(s)?
Is Mr. Hogg speaking officially for NA MSD? Was he acting in an official capacity when — the group having adopted “Never Again” as a motto, with all its historical context — he posed for a B&W photo wearing an armband strongly reminiscent of the Third Reich?
(I’ve lived in Germany, and worked with someone who lived in Nazi Germany; that image creeped me out.)
“These AR-15s, they’re weapons of war. Going to school, you’re not going to war, you’re trying to get an education.”
“I’m not going back to school on Wednesday until one bill is passed.”
— Chris Grady
Again, what one bill? In this context, is he demanding a ban on AR-15s? Would that be Colt AR-15s, or any AR-pattern rifle? He speaks of “weapons of war;” does he understand that semiautomatic AR-pattern rifles are not generally issued by any country in the world to its regular troops?
“We’re just trying to just not let seventeen of us get shot in the fucking face again.”
— Cameron Kasky again
Fine. How? WHAT LAW(S) are you demanding? Speak up.
NA MSD supports the “March for Or Lives,” with equally indistinct goals:
“March For Our Lives is a movement dedicated to student-led activism around ending gun violence and the epidemic of mass shootings in our schools today. On March 24, we will take to the streets to demand that our safety become a priority. ”
— March for Our Lives
How? What are your specific proposals?
Vague platitudes. Smoke and mirrors; mostly wispy smoke. Nothing solid. I see a bunch of well-meaning children (“He had thought of the name, he later told me, ‘while sitting on the toilet in my Ghostbuster pajamas.’ “) trotted out by the media to spout convenient sound bites seemingly in support of anything on the victim disarmament wishlist, while avoiding getting pinned down on anything that can be rebutted. When someone else proposes something, one or another of the kids — speaking officially? not? — utters a sorta “me, too” without explanation.
I invite Never Again MSD to write a guest column which I will publish here unedited, in which you can get specific. Tell the world what you want and how you want to accomplish it. This your chance to speak directly to the gun owners you want to persuade. Make the most of it. I suggest you consider the following points, but do as you will.
Who is your official spokesman?
Who does not speak officially for your group?
Are you aware of the historical context of “Never Again” and the Shoah?
What new laws do you want?
Purchase age limits?
Weapons bans? How broad or narrow; which weapons? Why?
Universal background checks?
Expansion of prohibited person categories?
Gun-free school zones?
Armed personnel in schools? Who?
Policies that allowed the MSD shooter to go unreported by authorities?
“Fix NICS”?
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You know, somethings just come together as though they were those little metal slivers you used to have on your school desk and you used a magnet to attract them all at once. You would end up with something resembling a tiny metal porcupine in the end of your magnet. That’s how these articles seemed to present to me. So why should I be the only one with a little metal porcupine on the end of my magnet? Here ya go.
It all started with a post on FaceBook yesterday. It’s a re-telling of the start of the War for Independence in modern day MSM language. It’s a story I know and revere (yes, a tiny joke) from the many Appleseed events I’ve attended. Appleseed is a project dedicated to turning Americans back into the nation of riflemen and women we were a mere few decades ago.
BREAKING NEWS: Seventy-Two Killed Resisting Gun Confiscation In Maryland.
National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed by elements of a Para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.
Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.
Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group’s organizers as “criminals,” issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government’s efforts to secure law and order.
The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.
Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.
And then it goes on further. Someone on my facebook page didn’t recognize it. They checked it with snopes. Oy. Snopes no less. A couple other people did and commented on ignoring history and don’t blink, it’s ready to happen. And the magnet gets closer to the desk.
Illinois Democratic Rep. Danny Davis says it is acceptable for only wealthy individuals having access firearms if a 50 percent federal tax on all guns and ammunition becomes law.
“So if rich people can only get firearms then only rich people would be able to pay the price and if that could prevent some people from getting them, I’d want to prevent all people from getting them,” Davis told The Daily Caller. “But if rich people were willing and would continue to pay the high price, then I’d be happy that we kept the other group from getting them.”
Guesses on Demoncratic Rep having armed guards if he wants or feels he needs them? Much like Hollyweird who pushes gun control, having massive security for themselves during some show called “Oscar”. They were wearing little orange pins. I guess the pins are suppose to repel bullets? Knives? Spears? Bad reviews? I dunno, they use the tools often enough in their movies that get bad reviews. Well, at least from the few people that see them. We know I don’t usually go to movies. What did they have to worry about? They were protected by 500 of LA’s finest.
“We have these concentric rings of security that start in the middle and radiate outward,” said LAPD Cmdr. Blake Chow, the man tasked with overseeing the massive operation. “We have a lot of officers in fixed posts and foot beats keeping an eye on the event.”
Several celebrities plan to wear orange lapel pins on the red carpet and during tonight’s ceremony in support of gun control and the Michael Bloomberg-founded gun control advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety.
#hypocrisy #elitism #MoveTheMagnet
It’s like the brains in these people have dropped a chain off the cog or something. Or, as they used to say “they jest ain’t right in ta head”. Well, maybe not. Remember a study that came out in 2012 that said conservatives were psychotic? Science says liberals, not conservatives, are psychotic
Turns out liberals are the real authoritarians.
A political-science journal that published an oft-cited study claiming conservatives were more likely to show traits associated with “psychoticism” now says it got it wrong. Very wrong.
The American Journal of Political Science published a correction this year saying that the 2012 paper has “an error” — and that liberal political beliefs, not conservative ones, are actually linked to psychoticism.
“The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed,” the journal said in the startling correction.
Whoops. So, they really don’t think “right”. Yeah, another tiny joke.
This would explain at least to some degree why they feel that only the police should have weapons.
A man in Seattle has had his gun confiscated by police after breaking no laws. The police took his gun without a warrant and without pressing any charges. Tyranny has officially taken hold on American soil.
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Neighbors complained that the man had been “staring” at people through storefront windows while wearing a holstered firearm. He was not brandishing his weapon by any account, and open carrying is legal in the area, so he was abiding by the law.
The short article is well worth reading.
And this is only the start, a friend made a point of me seeing the following video. He thought a lot of people needed to see it, he’s right. And we don’t have much time, less than a week now.
We do not want a country run by liberals with an impaired thinking process, a bunch of elitists, hypocrites and power hungry politicians reacting to crisis actors who dine on tide pods. And as the good Congressman points out, a bunch of Repubs are going to be sellouts.
So I got an interesting, if slightly outraged message tonight.
Did you hear what that chick on FOX said tonight?
Um, just finished up a lovely Shabbat, reading a good book, drinking some good coffee and not watching TV. You’re going to ruin my good mood aren’t you? Yep.
It would seem some newscaster, I don’t watch decided to go full auto stupid. Yes, indeed, that is a tiny little joke. Some news personality on FOX news decided to speak authoritatively on guns and the Second Amendment. Indeed, she spoke with great authority, with facts? Not so much.
She starts out with it’s the right of every US Citizen, ok, good start Julie. The the effect of the Tide pods sets in. It’s the responsibility of lawmakers to prevent those who “don’t deserve the right to own one” from getting them. It’s not an infringement on the Second Amendment to stop arming the mentally ill. She realizes some will ask “how do you determine who is mentally ill?” But she says it goes past mentally ill.
Um, Julie, when did you decide to hate Veterans, and do you kneel during the National Anthem as well?
The VA, in making the determination that a veteran requires a fiduciary to help them manage their money, is additionally making the decision that the veteran cannot handle a firearm, either. The VA is not conducting an evaluation to determine whether a veteran is a threat to himself or herself or others, requiring a medical determination verifying the veteran is displaying signs of violence, or notifying the veteran his or her Second Amendment rights are being eliminated. The VA simply reports the veteran to the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) system and makes the “mentally defective” judgment of the veteran by default.
She has the novel idea that background checks should include criminal records!!
Great idea Jules, maybe they could like have some kind of form the could fill out before they buy a gun and answer those questions. Like questions 12 b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i for example. Check out form 4473 Julie, listed for your convenience below.
And they should require training. In Israel for example you need a doctor’s note proving no history of mental illness and drug abuse. You must also demonstrate you can use your gun at a firing range before you can take it home with a limited supply of bullets. I think she actually meant the whole cartridge though. Um, Julie from Israel Give the Good Guys Guns. Then she wisely explains to us that a correctly aimed bullet does what it is supposed to do. There doesn’t need to be thirty. Then she lectures us to think for a second, does an American need an assault weapon to protect themselves, target shoot or provide food for their family?
Gee Julie, I’m a little uncertain, what exactly is an “assault weapon”?
The she informs us we’re not applying for a driver’s license here. No kidding? Cars and Trucks as Weapons of Terror Um, Julie, perhaps you could clarify for me which of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights that you never studied in school involves transportation?
Then she rattles on that just like our police and military get the proper training to use the weapons, so should civilians. I think she is unaware that unless a state has Constitutional carry you do have to pass a test to get a concealed carry endorsement.
Then she sanctimoniously lectures us that owning a gun is a right, but it is our responsibility to carry one responsibly. Obviously from her New York ivory tower she is unaware that gun owners and concealed carry holders are some of the most responsible people out there.
She doesn’t seem to understand, it’s not the inanimate object that is of any threat, it is the hand that holds it.
It seems to me, our ill informed Julie is confusing you and I, law abiding gun owners with a bucket of chum who had been reported to the FIB, and the police had visited his home 39 times.
Julie, this is a law-enforcement failure because of a deal struck for money. Why don’t you investigate that? Why doesn’t that bother you?
But you did great on your cnn #FakeNews audition tonight, you’ll be great there, really.
Julie says she “wants to have a conversation about it on twitter”. @JulieBanderas
I got an interesting email the other day. It was warning about a scam that seems to be very well funded and quite sophisticated. The goal of it seems to be to tarnish the reputation of firearms trainers and Second Amendment activists and leaders.
The set up is a documentary that is being filmed by a group calling themselves “First Freedom Television”. They say they are working on strategies to keep communities safer in the 21st century. That an Israeli security expert will be taking part, and that the “documentary” will be shown in Israel. Apparently the people that they asked to take part in it are treated to very lavish accommodations, travel expenses are paid and a driver is provided.
The first report you can read in it’s entirety here and comes from Philip Van Cleave the President of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. He said partway into the interview and demonstration his spidey senses were tingling. He said he was shown a video of a 4 year old in Israel who had used a gun to stop terrorists in his school.
….the interviewer was making claims about Israeli schools training selected children to use firearms from age 17 down to age 4 (!) as a last ditch effort in stopping a terrorist attack on a school if the teachers and security staff had been killed. The children would have codes to unlock secured firearms in such a case.
When I balked at 4-year-olds being able to do that, he showed me an alleged newscast video on his iPad. The text was in Hebrew, but with an English-speaking narration, talking about how a 4-year-old boy had indeed stopped a terrorist attack at his school. The newscast said that he killed two terrorists using his dad’s gun, which he had brought to school in his backpack to show a friend, in violation of school rules. Israeli Premier Netanyahu was touting him as a hero in the video.
Hmmm, interesting. The last time I was in Israel I talked to a very interesting man about ordinary citizens in Israel being able to concealed carry. It’s not that easy. When he moved from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv he wasn’t allowed to continue carrying his weapon. In fact, it’s really not all that easy to get a concealed carry permit, or even a gun in Israel if you’re a civilian. Of course soldiers have them, but I remember during the last intifada that they were trying to loosen restrictions so more people could get guns and carry them. Residents in Shomron (Samaria) and Judea can obtain them easier I believe, but plenty of crime happens everywhere. Of course the criminals can seem to find them anywhere, even on Har HaBayit, the Temple Mount. So.
So perhaps the 4 year olds father is in the military. I don’t know that many fathers who would leave their service weapon laying around so it could be stuffed into a backpack and taken to school. For another where would he have taught the child to shoot? Ranges are not prevalent.
In a column from 2014, Moshe Feiglin of the Zehut political party pointed out Gun Control? Or Citizen Control? Then in 2016 he called for more citizens to be allowed to carry weapons. Give the Good Guys Guns. Hopefully Moshe will be Prime Minister soon.
From there the erstwhile filmmakers wanted Mr. Van Cleave to help them make a “safety video” for children of all ages. Which involved hiding guns in stuffed toys. And making gun noises.
Mr. Van Cleave feels to point of the video is to discredit and harm Second Amendment people. He said they seem to set up near gun shows and are good at hiding their tracks. He said they were very good an mental manipulation, and seemed to have everything well thought out.
The end goal was to get the victim to make a “training film” teaching 3 and 4-year-olds how to shoot guns hidden in toy animals at “bad” people, to sing little songs and make gun noises during the training to make it “fun for children,” and even teach little kids how to shoot a rocket-propelled-grenade or a squad automatic weapon at an approaching suicide bomber vehicle!
UZI-CORN?? Seriously, well, there was also “Puppy pistol”.
But the fun doesn’t end there, they are also advertising on Criagslist for “Patriotic folks” to participate in a training style docu-show for a TV series. Ammoland has screen shots.
But, back to Israel teaching 4 year olds to shoot rocket propelled grenades and guns….yeahhhh, only if you understand that Gaza IS part of Israel, AS IS Judea and Shomron. In fact, the disaster known as Gaza is pretty much what the two state solution looks like. You know, the one constantly in “humanitarian crisis”? Ok, that’s another story, they keep electing Hamass, ok, another story….
Why, Sheila, whatever do you mean?? I mean it’s not Jewish or Christian Israelis teaching their 4 year olds to kill. It’s the “piece partners”in the Gaza strip, and one has also been run in FA territory. Yep, summer terrorist camps for kids.
So, yeah, if you count the Muslims occupying Israeli territory, that are teachingtheir 4 year olds to kill. Ok, but you know what? That isn’t the side that this group represents itself as supporting. So this stinks. And from the people that did do interviews with this group, there is plenty that stinks.
So be aware. I keep thinking about that buffoon Michael Moore and how he tried to ambush Charlton Heston, this has that set up Soros, Bloomburg, Moore stench to it.
And as long as we’re on the subject of school safety…
I realize no sane person probably watched the cnn #FakeNews townhall for information. Entertainment purposes perhaps, comedic relief? But not really for information, because it is cnn, where they follow the script to the letter and expect their actors to do so as well. Even if they were real people who didn’t want to follow a script.
But here is some information I doubt they covered.
We know that Bucket O’ Chum had been reported to the FIB, we know that the police had visited his home 39 times, although Coward county’s finest says it was “only” 23. Well, ok, well, then.
We know that four of Coward County’s finest sheriff’s deputies coward behind their patrol cars with their pistols drawn when Coral Springs police officers rolled up on the scene. One of them, the only armed person for the school. Their resource officer was outside the building. Which of course, means Bucket O’Chum had a clear path. There was no one inside that could have stopped him, because they were keeping the children safe by being in a “gun free (except for the killers) zone”. Well, perhaps one of the deputies was a leader in the Hamas-related Council on American-Islamic Relations, he is also a Broward Co. deputy. He stays busy training the men in his local radical mollusk to shoot. So understandable why he would think the slaughter of the children is ok I suppose.
The motive was simple. The school system administrators wanted to “improve their statistics” and gain state and federal grant money for improvements therein.
It’s important to remember that this was not an arbitrary change; this was a well-planned fundamental shift in the entire dynamic of how teenagers would be treated when they engaged in criminal conduct.
In essence the thugs and criminals, misguided youth, little darlings got a free pass. And since statistics needed to continue to improve, bigger and more violent crimes had to be excused as time went on. Gangs quickly jumped on the bandwagon and began to utilize more school students for their crimes since the police most likely wouldn’t do anything about it. This came to light back after the Trayvon Martin shooting.
Which is most likely why school resource officer Petersen wouldn’t share information on Bucket O’Chum with social services or anyone else who might have put him in jail or sent him to a psychiatric ward.
Somehow, I don’t think cnn, msnbc #FakeNews or “First Freedom Television” #Fake Television also, will be doing a real townhall or “documentary” on any of that.
But above all, just remember, in a crisis, the police are just a cellphone call and only moments away….except when they aren’t.
Sheriff Scott Israel (ah, geez, really? That had to be his name?) and fast friends. Hmm, may have found the problem.
Broward Co Sheriff and buddies
In last weeks Parsha, in a commentary I read, the Rabbi quoted Rabbi Jonathan Sacks. He talked about how Moshe told the children Do not despise an Egyptian, because you were strangers in his land. (Deut. 23:8), but of the Amalekites Moshe commands, “Remember.” “Do not forget.” “Blot out the name.” In Exodus the Torah says that “G-d shall be at war with Amalek for all generations” (Ex. 17:16). The Rabbi raises the question “Why the difference”?
Short version, because the Egyptians had a reason for fearing the Israelites, they were growing to be many and to be powerful. They feared if they were ever attacked the Israelites would join with the invaders. But the Amalekites? They attacked the weak and stragglers that were of no threat.
When hate is rational, based on some fear or disapproval that – justified or not – has some logic to it, then it can be reasoned with and brought to an end. But unconditional, irrational hatred cannot be reasoned with. There is nothing one can do to address it and end it. It persists.
I would maintain that the anti-gun leftists, the Soros and Bloomburg groups are Amalekites. They will NEVER be satisfied with compromise on a right. They will just keep coming back and demanding more. No matter how many innocent people have to die they will just keep pushing the lie. No matter if they tarnish reputations, ruin lives or enable tyranny, they do not care because that is their goal. They hate the idea of self-defense, freedom, liberty so much they will tell any lie, allow any number of people to die needlessly to further their agenda. Blind hatred that cannot be reasoned with or bargained with. Nor should we try.
So what is your reputation worth? To the 2nd Amendment people who have dealt with this scam, whoever is behind it, their reputation matters. But they are willing to put it on the line to get the word out to warn others and protect them from it. To the Sheriff who was apparently in full virtue signaling, gun control mode who spent his time at the cnn #FakeNews townhall attacking the NRA and it’s representative, it is hollow, falsely built up reputation. He seeks to enhance his by doing nothing of value and causing harm. He knew at the time his deputies were outside the building as the children were being killed. Unless he is dumb as a box of rocks, it should have crossed his mind had a teacher been armed perhaps the carnage could have been lessened. None of that mattered. Blind unreasoning hatred. His reputation is dust, may the wind soon blow it away.
I posted a column on my personal blog yesterday. While it was about “gun control,” I thought the tone and expletives made it inappropriate for The Zelman Partisans blog, where I’m a guest. I was angry when I wrote it.
In the past, I have posted here about gunpeople controllers’ screeching for vague or redundant “new” laws to violate human/civil rights. I ask these 18 U.S. Code § 241 lawsuit candidates to be specific as to what solutions they want imposed, instead of whining, “We need common since laws.”
Someone got specific.
So, there’s the first solution. Universal healthcare. Make healthy choice the norm rather than being a country that waits until a sickness is unbearable before seeking treatment.
OK, that’s still a bit general, and it doesn’t seem to have worked particularly well in other countries.
There’s something to the shooters being straight white men. Hellooooo, elephant in the room.
Beg pardon? And what does this person suggest doing about those “straight white men”?
So, an actual second solution. Do away with the old guard. People over the age of 55, for the most part, are only looking out for #1.
Genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Eliminating everyone over the age of fifty-five.
Getting rid of everyone over 55yo? That’s roughly 75,000,000 people. Sheesh, Hitler and Stalin were pikers compared to Little Miss Genocide here. But that might make her “universal healthcare” workable; Dr. Zeke Emmanuel thought well of it; when advising on Obamacare, he proposed limiting and cutting off care when people got too old.
Personally, I’m strongly opposed to genocide, hence my affillation with The Zelman Partisans. But if that’s your thing, maybe you should consider other target demographics than “straight white men,” or everyone over 55. Take a look at the UCR data on killer age and race. If you’re into ethnic cleansing, you could start with the 5% of US counties that account for nearly all murders.
Pro Tip: If you want people to give up their guns, don’t tell them you want them dead.
Pro Tip 2: So long as evil like that exists, so will groups like The Zelman Partisans who work to make sure it can’t, that everyone can choose defense.
I spent Valentine’s Day at a state Capitol building. I was part of a group that was trying to network Israeli technology with American companies and possibly governments, as well as just inform and answer questions. We had different sections such as agriculture, technology, history, famous people, medicine, and defense. I had three different mini-lectures to give on agricultural innovations. We each worked up our own lectures. I must say the day went very well for us with many legislators and office workers stopping at our display, listening to our talks and asking questions. The Capitol building itself is very beautiful, a historic building of charm and elegance. I helped with the set up of the screens and the posters and after we were done I admired both the beautiful posters and the paintings on the walls of the rotunda. The walls of the rotunda are covered with paintings of scenes of history. One was of cattle being loaded and I really looked at that one and thought, sometimes a cattle car, is just a cattle car. I spent extra time looking at the ones with horses in them of course. We had enough to be on each of the four wall sections.
At which point 3 women and a guy (?) that was a pure double for obama’s pajama boy came marching in. They were all wearing red t-shirts and red tennis shoes with sequins. Yes, I did say all. Want to hazard a guess what their t-shirts said? Yep, Moms Demand Autopsies. The leader informed the leader of my group that they had a wall reserved. They were way late getting there. Our group had been there and set up with military precision, gee I wonder why that, oh yeah. I was working with former IDF.
She demanded “Do you have a wall reserved”? He informed her we have three. She then demanded HER wall, and stated slightly hysterically actually, they have one HUNDRED people coming! Our leader calmly shrugged and said we had four hundred. We picked a wall, took our stuff and reorganized onto three. We weren’t try to TAKE their wall, we just didn’t realize anyone else was coming. I of course am trying not to retch, thinking really G-d? Is that your idea of a joke? They did have more people drift in during the day, but when they took their big group photo together they all huddled together and someone went up one floor so they could shoot down and then crop it so it would look crowded. There were maybe 25 people. Usual MDA math. I wanted to ask them if they still hated Jews and point to the cattle car and ask why?
But it was a full and successful day for us.
When I got in my little car and sped toward the beauty of the rural area inhabited by my fur children I chatted via bluetooth with one of my girlfriends about our days, lives, horses, the usual.
Which is why I didn’t hear about the school shooting till I got home. I hadn’t had the radio on. It made having shared a rotunda with Moms Demanding Autopsies all the sicker. I was glad I didn’t know then.
So much of that could have gone differently. The school knew that Bucket of Chum was a threat. He had been expelled for making death threats. He had posted a comment on a youtube web site he wanted to be a professional school shooter. That was last fall. The poster of the video immediately notified the FIB who talked to him the next morning for 15-20 minutes, and nothing came of it. Guess the FIB was busy with other things. The school sent a e-mail telling staff not to let him on campus with a backpack. Was he on medication? Was he on the same Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) drugs used for depression that the Columbine killers were on?
You know what else this lunatic had in common with other school murders? Using the fire alarm.
– 1974 Olean High School Shooting, Olean, New York. A student lit a Molotov cocktail inside the school and then shot 14 people fleeing the fire alarm from the third floor of the school.
-1981- University of Michigan Shooting. A dorm resident threw Molotov cocktails inside his dorm and shot two students fleeing the flames
– 1998 Westside Middle School, Jonesborough, AK. An 11-year old student asked to be excused from class. He pulled the fire alarm and then ran outside to join his friend in the woods 100 yards away from the school. The two killers shot students evacuating the school.
– 2013 Carver High School Shooting, Winston-Salem NC. A student fired five shots (hitting one person) during a scheduled school fire drill.
-2013 Thwarted University of Central Florida attack. A student pulled the fire alarm at his dorm and planned to shoot evacuating residents. The student’s roommate physically intervened after the alarm was pulled and the would-be killer shot himself instead.
– 2014 Marysville, Washington. A victim pulled the fire alarm to trigger an evacuation while a Freshman student was shooting up the school lunch room.
-2016 Jeremiah Burke High School Shooting in Dorchester, Maryland. Three people shot during a fire alarm evacuation.
-2016 OSU Terrorist Attack. An Islamist terrorist targeted students evacuating a fire alarm with a vehicle and knife attack.
-2017 Thwarted Catocin, Maryland High School attack. Student planned to use school “emergency drills” to bomb and kill her fellow students
– 2017 Aztec High School Shooting, Aztec, New Mexico. Fire alarms triggered in the school from smoke of shooter’s gunfire. Conflicting instructions for both a lockdown and a fire evacuation led to confusion and likely more victims.
– 2017 Thwarted Shooting at Bethlehem, Pennsylvania High School. Shooters were planning to pull the school fire alarm and shoot evacuating victims from the roof of the school.
-2018- Yesterday’s Stoneman Douglas School Shooting in Parkland, Florida. The shooter killed 17 students as they evacuated a fire alarm
So I would say based on the current screeches from the victim disarmament crowd, we need to outlaw fire alarms. Yes, yes, I know many will whine that their fire alarm hasn’t caused any deaths, but it could! That fire alarm in your child’s school could suddenly all on it’s own one day go off and cause your child to die! Isn’t it better to be safe and outlaw all fire alarms? If it saves even one child. I think the media need to voluntarily surrender their fire alarms immediately. Followed closely by all Demoncratic politicians to set a good example. They don’t really need fire alarms any more these days. Everyone has a cellphone with them, they can just call the fire department. It’s not like in the old days when people might not make it to a phone, or the lines might be melted. In a neighborhood folks would see the smoke and most likely call it in, there is no need for fire alarms. Then they can wait for the fire department to show up and stop the threat, because in addition to turning in their fire alarms, all the media and Demoncratic politicians need to turn in their high capacity fire extinguishers as well.
Armed Student & Teacher
So let’s talk about that wait. What do they do while they are waiting. Waiting for what? For the call to go out to the police, because the Police don’t respond to fire alarms normally. Few police departments have that as their policy it seems. So tripping the fire alarm doesn’t call the police. Then you wait for the police to show up. And then you wait for the SWAT team to show up. And then you wait as people die. Why call the police? Because you want a good guy with a gun to show up and stop the bad guy with a gun? Did the school hire off duty cops or extra security guards? No. Did the school have a security guard? Yes, the football coach apparently doubled as a security guard. Was he armed? No. He died shielding students with his body because that is all he flipping had. He gave his life in an attempt to save theirs. WHY the heck didn’t he have a gun? Why didn’t he have the most effective tool to stop this deadly threat? This is something that should be incomprehensible to sane people. It’s like the attack on the IDF soldiers in Jenin the day before.
“The mob quickly surrounded us, broke our windows, and tried to injure us. It was absolutely a lynch,” the soldier said.
“All I could do was scream until someone came to rescue us.”
Yep, soldiers from the IDF had to wait for the Falestinian Authority Police to show up and fire their guns in the air to disperse the crowd and rescue the IDF soldiers. The cherry on top is the FA Police recovered the M-16 stolen from one of the soldiers and returned it to the IDF.
Abu Mazen’s Idea of “Peace”
How you ask, could this happen? Why didn’t the soldiers defend themselves? The M-16 wasn’t loaded. And with the left leaning IDF leadership, they are possibly told that defense of their own life isn’t a valid reason. I’m sure Elor Azariya would agree.
And this is the painful point. There are people so tied to their failed ideology, “guns evil” and “can’t be seen as aggressor” that they are willing to sacrifice innocent lives. Did the gun free zone work? No. Did the staff email work? No. Did having an unloaded M16 stop a threat? No. In both cases it was (reasonably in the case of the FA) good guys showing up with guns.
So back to Moms Demanding Autopsies, them hating Jews and cattle cars being cattle cars. Does such Jew hatred still exist? Cape Town Hates Israel So Much It Rejected its Offer to End Drought Crisis. Zero day, the day it is expected to run out of water, is sometime in mid-April. Israel offered to help in many ways. It was all rebuffed. They are willing to lose their way of life, and let people die rather than to accept help from Jews, from Israel.
Lessons?
The wait for a good guy with a gun is long.
Bodies don’t stop bullets or protect others from them.
Empty M16s don’t stop lynch attempts.
Sometimes, a cattle car isn’t just a cattle car.
Schools over. Yes, Valentine’s Day is suppose to be about love. Not everyone makes that choice.
Now that the victim disarming gunpeople controllers are dancing in the blood of innocents, screeching for “common sense gun laws,” let’s see what we know about the alleged asshole.
He reportedly bought his rifle legally, passing a background check.
That last point is important, because it sounds like he shouldn’t have… except someone may not have been doing their jobs.
The school district is pretty quiet beyond saying the asshole was expelled for “disciplinary reasons,” but students — and others — have a lot more to say
The school had specifically identified him in the past as a “potential threat”.
His school activities included fighting, and possession of ammunition (for which he was forbidden to bring a backpack to school). Multiple knives, too; as in multiple at a time.
The police responded to his home “Many times” in response to threats, harassment, and window peeping.
Despite the complaints, violence, destruction, peeping tom activities, harassment, threats, and numerous police responses, apparently no one ever bothered arresting him. Much of this appears to have occurred while he was a minor, but serious actions also occurred — before this shooting — while he was an adult.
He could have been arrested. And based on the sheer number of witnesses coming forward, I think he could have been convicted of a crime making him a prohibited person.
He could have been taken into custody and presented to a judge who could have ordered him into involuntary mental health treatment. That’s a two-fer: he would have become a prohibited person, and just maybe they could have helped him.
Yes, I’m playing “Monday morning quarterback;” ‘hindsight’s 20/20,’ and all that. But with a years-long history of mental health issues, threats, harassment, violence, destruction, weapons violations, expulsion, and police complaints, are my after-action observations unreasonable?
The victim disarming gunpeople controllers will say, “Yes.” They’ll blame the gun. They’ll blame the millions of gun owners who didn’t do it. They’ll screech for new laws that already exist (yes, someone already called for background checks). They’ll ignore the fact that several laws of the sort they promised would end violence forever… didn’t work.
Which just means they’ll demand still more laws. That still won’t work, when blatant threats like this guy go uncontrolled, and when the laws never really apply to the people committing the crimes.
Police say the shooting at Salvador Castro Middle School in Los Angeles on Thursday morning was accidental
A 12-year-old girl was arrested and charged with negligent discharge of a firearm on school grounds
One of the girl’s classmates said she told him the gun was in her backpack and that it accidentally went off when she dropped the bag
Another classmate said the girl had said she thought it was a toy gun
Shooting left one teenager critically wounded and three other children injured
A 15-year-old male was shot in the temple and remains in intensive care, while a girl, 15, was shot in the wrist
Two other students, as well as a 30-year-old woman, were treated for non-gunshot wounds
A 12-year-old girl was arrested after gunfire erupted at Salvador Castro Middle School on Thursday morning.
Los Angeles police spokesman Josh Rubenstein says the girl has since been charged with negligent discharge of a firearm on school grounds.
The charge comes after one of the girl’s classmates, also 12, revealed he spoke to her moments after the gun went off and said she was sobbing and repeatedly saying: ‘I didn’t mean it.’
She told him the gun was in her backpack and that it accidentally went off when she dropped the bag.
Another classmate also said the girl didn’t mean to hurt anyone, saying she thought it was a toy gun.
The list of injured: A 15-year-old male who was shot in the temple,a girl, 15, suffered a gunshot wound to her wrist, an 11-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl were grazed and were treated and released from the hospital, and a 30 year old woman was also injured and treated in hospital.
This baffles me. Modern firearms are pretty reliable, and I understand it most modern firearms are unlikely to “go off” if dropped. I said most. I know I’ve certainly had a very stern talk with mine. Since people control advocates seem to feel guns have a mind of their own, I thought I’d cover all the bases and make sure mine realize that is unacceptable behavior. But back to my pondering.
The girl had the gun in her backpack. The story doesn’t say how she obtained it. Nor does it say why she had it in her backpack, or who she got it from. I’m actually not dogging the reporter on this, I just don’t think it was known. I am astonished she is being charged with negligent discharge and not the mountain of other crimes with which a normal concealed carrier would have been charged. We are talking about California #FutureVenezuela here. Or as my compatriot Bear calls it, “Occupied territory”.
But if she A) dropped the backpack B) the gun just went off. How many times did it go off that so many were wounded off of one cartridge? It’s making me think of the JFK assassination “magic bullet”. I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened that way, crowded hall and all, but, still.
The whole thing is just sad. And without knowing any other background the one thing that is front in my mind is that if firearms education were allowed in schools perhaps this would never happen as the girl, who’s life is bound to be a mess now if it wasn’t before, would have known the difference between a toy gun and a real one. She would have known safe gun handling practices if she had stumbled upon one, and she sure as heck would have known you don’t play with them.
But no, California would never allow firearms education in schools, after all, it’s for the children.
But had this been a real school shooting, with gun fire “erupting” as the column stated I’m quite sure the toll would have been far higher. After all, schools are Gun-free zones, to keep everyone “safe”. That’s “for the children” too.
Jews. Guns. No compromise. No surrender.
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