Jabba the Hutt Michael Moore thinks it’s time to repeal the Second Amendment.
“Who will say on this network or any other network in the next few days, ‘It’s time to repeal the Second Amendment?’”
Bad idea, Lardo Calrissian.
You can’t repeal the Second Amendment, any more than you can repeal any of the other nine. It was a package deal, you see, an absolute prerequisite to ratifying the main body of the Constitution. Repeal one, you repeal them all. Do that, and you repeal the whole Constitution — and with it, any legal authority that the government has to exist (let alone repeal the Second Amendment).
— Alexander Hope
That comes from chapter five of Hope, by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith. The style makes me think that particular passage was penned by Neil (and it seems like he had a stand-alone essay to the same effect), but I don’t believe Aaron would have let that go into their co-authored novel unless he agreed with it.
As a casual student of history, who has read much about the ratification of the Constitution, I also agree.
Lose one, lose them all. Lose it all.
I suspect that Moore, and most Dims currently in DC — and far too many Repugnicans, as well — would be happy to lose the few remaining Constitutional limits on their power. They don’t particularly care about “legal authority;” just power.
The problem is… if our wanna-be tyrants are no longer restrained by that pesky Constitution, neither are the people.
The people pissed off at senseless bans, and illegal ballot drop boxes, might just decide that turning to constitutionally-enabled courts — who already defecate on individual rights at the slightest provocation — really isn’t necessary.
Voting out scumbags, and voting in new replacement scumbags who promise to use KY while screwing us? Why bother with that discarded constitutional process? Wouldn’t high-velocity lead be cheaper and faster? Not to mention proactively educating would-be replacements.
Court-blessed “constitutional” takings of property? Get rid of the Constitution and former property owners might resort to ex-constitutional re-takings, enforced with ropes and lamp posts.
Lose one, lose them all. Moore himself might want to consider the ramifications of chucking his First Amendment protections to defame folks for a buck. The people might decide, lacking that lost constitutional recourse, to go bowling for lying documentarians.
Get rid of the Constitution, and the people’s pretend recourse… and they might stop pretending they do.
Maybe the tyrants will be counting on the out-numbered police to prop up their post-Constitution regime. How many officers would continue to be willing to do that once they’ve lost “constitutional” sovereign immunity, and the people know it?
Perhaps the Constitution has only been an illusory paper restraint on government. But it has been a potent symbolic restraint on the people, preventing them from eliminating abusive politicians and government agents out of hand. I do not truly comprehend the willingness — nay, the eagerness of the Left to go there, to surrender that protection, given the likely consequences.
We’d be starting from scratch, with new rules written by the survivors.
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Bear methinks a guy known as John Locke has something to say about this once too:
“Freedom of Men under Government is, to have a standing Rule to live by, common to every one of that Society, and made by the Legislative Power erected in it; a Liberty to follow my own Will in all things, where the Rule prescribes not; and not to be subject to the inconstant, uncertain, unknown, Arbitrary Will of another Man: as Freedom of Nature is, to be under no other restraint but the Law of Nature.”
“Wherever violence is used, and injury done, though by hands appointed to administer Justice, it is still violence and injury, however colour’d with the Name, Pretences, or Forms of Law, the end whereof being to protect and redress the innocent, by an unbiassed application of it, to all who are under it; wherever that is not bona fide done, War is made upon the Sufferers, who having no appeal on Earth to right them, they are left to the only remedy in such Cases, an appeal to Heaven.”
“But there is only one thing which gathers people into seditious commotion, and that is oppression.”
I don’t think that the left understands just how fragile our Republic is at this point in history. I have read much about the Civil War, as likely has anyone who has reached the age of 6 decades plus like myself. And so I have a fair understanding of the events leading up to that war, the actual war years, and the sad events that followed.
I was born in 1960, so I am just old enough to remember the evening news and the nightly body counts coming out of Vietnam, and the war over there. I didn’t get involved in the protests going on then, I was just a kid. But now I am aware of it, and I believe now is much worse than things ever were then. Even with the killings of Kent State, we have seen much more violence on a continual level for several years. This could get rather long, and for that I beg your forgiveness.
I voted for Donald Trump twice, not because I like him, but in defense of voting for the alternative. Seeing the outcome of the election, and the accused cheating, I actually think that there was cheating that swung the election to Joe Biden. I am over that.
What scares me, is that nothing has really changed, and I am thinking that no matter how many votes the next challenger to the Democrat candidate for president gets, the fix is already in, as they used to say about boxing matches. If we still exist as a nation without the beginning of hostilities of a second civil war to even hold an election. Because I think that for most practical purposes, the nation is at war with itself already, and the shooting just has not started yet.
While you say that the Constitution is still a potent restraint on the people, which I believe, I harbor no such belief about it’s symbolism to the federal government. To most of the politicians, it is merely an obstacle, a bump in the road, or an annoyance to avoid. And they have become quite proficient at avoiding the Constitution.
The Democrats could never get their act together enough to pass the legislation that they wanted to. So they found a way around the Constitution, but using either executive orders, or the court system. They were so proud of themselves for passing the ACA, or Obamacare, until they were taken to court over some portions of it. So the Supreme Court ruled, with Roberts twisting into a pretzel to call the penalty a tax, and poof, the bill became law.
Oh, but then, there were parts of it that didn’t work quite as planned. But it was already a law, signed, sealed, and delivered. No matter, to the Democrats. Obama just said, it doesn’t matter, I make the rules here, and when any problem with the ACA came up, Obama just said, change this date, or change that portion of the law, and the Republicans let him get away with it!
I don’t think that this civil war that I believe is occurring is between any political parties. I think that it is between the extreme left and the right. Because there is no moderate left any longer. At one time, the two sides could work together, in a bi partisan manner, to accomplish things that were for the good of the people. That is no longer the case.
I don’t like what I see happening to this nation. I never thought that I would be grateful that G-d took my parents, but I am glad that they are not alive to see the state to which America has descended. I am once again reminded of the words of I believe Thomas Paine, who said:
I wish not that trouble should come. But if it must, let it come in my lifetime, that my children may know peace.
I have often wondered how the many men fought in WWII, or even in the other wars of our nation, with such bravery. Landing at beaches on D-Day, facing machine guns while trying to move forward directly into the line of fire. Knowing that the odds of being shot and killed were high. As I contemplate what I see now with America and how quickly it has fallen, I understand now their bravery. They were fighting for their country, to keep the freedom that others before them had purchased with their own blood. And for children of their own, that hadn’t even been born.
I do not desire to see fighting in America. But if it comes, I will not run from it. Some things are more important than one life.
One this Memorial Day, let us not fail to remember that many have offered their lives as sacrifice to keep America free. And hold fast to that which we know to be right, no matter how we are opposed.
The next war will be a militia war, definitely not a civil war.
Thank you for your post; it hit home. My father served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. He’s passed on now, and I am grateful he cannot experience what is going on now; he would be so disheartened. God help our country. J
And then there are the nazis of the WEF.
These are ACTUAL NAZIS who want to kill off 3.5 billion people and get the world population down to a manageable number to serve them.
Traitors in our own country at every level of business and government are working to pave the way.
What if hitler had been killed in 1933? We had better get our arms around that rhetorical question fast. Members of the WEF are traitors and termites that need to be aggressively stomped to death permanently or your grandchildren are FU**’d
The WEF, every member and their extended families need to be composted with extreme prejudice.
NO QUARTER
Well, old Klaus’ father was a good little NAZI. Like father like son.
The elite/hoi polloi/Davos crowd seem to think they are and will be immune to any and all consequences if things here get frisky.
They would be wrong.
Mike Vanderboegh wrote a little bit about people who might believe themselves ‘immune’:
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2015/11/we-will-not-forget-those-who-solicited.html
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I refer you to an essay I wrote regarding the application of 4th Generation warfare in the context of just such a civil war as you seek to provoke. You will find it here. I would draw your particular attention to Bill Clinton’s Rules of Engagement:
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And they will want to stop it, oh, yes, out of concern for their own miserable hides if nothing else. For they will have provoked a conflict that will not be directed at the war-fighters, the grunts, even those in the outnumbered federal police, but rather at the war-makers, i.e. themselves.
In this they have only Bill Clinton to blame. When the Philanderer in Chief, frustrated with Serbian intransigence in 1999, changed the rules of engagement to include the political leadership, news media and the intellectual underpinning of his enemy’s war effort, he accidentally filed suit under the Law of Unintended Consequences. The Serbians knuckled under, yes. But the rest of the world took note, including (the Three Percent). I assure you, the appeal to the higher court of history in that case has yet to be decided. . .
I keep one of Mike’s essays on Clinton Rules of Engagement bookmarked.
It’s depressing how often I’ve needed it.
Rawles wrote a very interesting piece on this in 2018.
https://survivalblog.com/2018/05/15/mathematics-countering-tyranny/
A very good, articulated read..
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Lardo Calrissian as you call him, once he gets his wish, will be unable to live in his little bubble for fat leftists, and may be forced out into the sunlight, blinking. Out there, he may even encounter the loyal opposition to his rubbish, where I doubt the quality of mercy will prevail. People with dough, ill-gotten or not, don’t seem to believe they will pay the piper for their careless and damaging mouthings, but Madame Guillotine is rather unforgiving. Count me among the unwilling to give up their rights to an unshaven hog, schooled in Marxism.
Alexander Hope is wrong. I was not a “package deal,” it was 12 articles passed by congress and sent to the states for ratification. Articles 3-12 passed, becoming Amendments 1 – 10. Article 2 eventually passed (there was not time limit) and became Amendment 27.
Sorry, but written history does not support him.
You should go back and review the conditions set for ratification of the Constitution.
The part about Hitler 1933 omits the part about most going along with his party … if you are a white straight christian in the US … compare yourself to a jewish , gypsy , jehovah witness , or a handicapped person in 1933 Germany … Patrick
The Left is forcing violent change. Revolutions, whatever their original goals swiftly become mob violence, with the subsequent atrocities. The Left should weigh their chances of winning when their side is made of people offended by the use of the wrong pronoun. I’d wager on the side that counts in its ranks people who enjoy waiting in swamps for hours to get the right shot; spending hours tracking a beast more horrid than my ex boss.
I for one am not about to forget or turn the other cheek if push comes to shove. I have seen what NYC, Detroit and Chicago have become. They should have walls forty foot tall built around them and then filled with water.
What liberals do not fully appreciate is that the second amendment does not grant the right to keep and bear arms. Rather the second amendment is a trip wire. A government can infringe on the right to keep and bear arms but this government can no longer claim to be a free state. Read the Declaration of Independence for remedies.
“Maybe the tyrants will be counting on the out-numbered police to prop up their post-Constitution regime. How many officers would continue to be willing to do that once they’ve lost “constitutional” sovereign immunity, and the people know it?”
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with it for the working cops. If the would be tyrants are counting on cops, they should have another think. Cops are some of the most conservative people in their communities. Local cops (and I suspect many feds) in most of the country won’t be the ones taking weapons from citizens. They’ll watch those that try get their asses handed to them. They probably won’t let them get killed, but they’ll happily stand back and watch while they get horse whipped and ridden out of town on a rail.