Support Your Local Sheriff, Maybe

One of my friends favorite movies is “Support Your Local Sheriff” with James Garner. I loved it too, he has such great delivery with his lines. Sometimes when we’re on the phone we might jokingly toss one of them into the conversation. I know it’s not a great copy of the movie, but you’ll get the point from the clips I put together, yeah, I love ya’ll that much!

But when the chips, or bullets, as the case maybe were down, it was Jake (Jack Elam) who came to the rescue wasn’t it? We’re still seeing incidents of law enforcement officers killed, sometimes while sitting in their cars. Despite the fact some of these officers were black, I’ve yet to hear of Black Labs Matter saying much of anything. These were people who wanted to make a difference in the world by helping people, seems like they could spare a second. Their lives matter too, didn’t they? I guess those officers didn’t have a “Jake” handy to watch their backs.

So I got to wondering about armed citizens involving themselves in active shooting situations.

Of course they do, there is a short list of them in this WaPo article by Eugene Volokh from 2015

There was a study done by the FBI in 2014, and it has what I think are some interesting bits in it.

In addition, though officers responded quickly (i.e., median time 3 minutes), shooters inflicted devastating damage beforehand. This adds to the growing evidence that citizens must have insight on how to respond. The FBI’s support for strong citizen awareness, detailed in the “Run, Hide, Fight” protocol, is endorsed by all other federal agencies. The data establish that when prepared, the potential victims themselves can stop the shooter.

Give a whole new meaning to “wait a minute” doesn’t it?

There was 110 Active Shooting incidents that met the criteria for the study occurring from 2000-2012.

Events by Year
The Number of People Shot and Killed

 

The primary location of ASEs. Business locales (e.g., retail stores, office buildings, and factories/warehouses) were the most frequently attacked locations. Schools, both K-12 and institutions of higher education, were the second-most attacked locations at 29 percent. Approximately 1 out of 5 ASEs occurred in outdoor environments. The other category includes places, like military bases and churches, that did not fit into one of the other categories. It also is worthwhile to note that 18 percent of the attackers went mobile during their attacks; that is, the perpetrator started at one location and then moved to another while still actively attacking. Most frequently, attackers simply walked to another nearby location, but in some cases they used an automobile to move between more distant attack sites.

Hmm, interesting. From looking at the list, it seems to me, the majority are “Gun Free Zones”. Business can choose I think if they want to be “Gun Free, except for the bad guy” of course. But I’m betting if you are in one of those big malls, the majority of them are posted, and probably the same terms apply for the businesses renting space there. Schools and colleges are of course no carry zones, and churches are often no carry and military bases have been since Bill Clinton.

So what did they use? I bet like millions of those evil, black rifles, right? Um, not so much.

In about 60 percent of the attacks the most powerful weapon used was a pistol. In 8 percent it was a shotgun, and the most powerful weapon used was a rifle in about 25 percent of the cases. Shooters brought multiple weapons in about one-third of the attacks. Perpetrators brought improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to the attack site in 3 percent of the cases and wore body armor in 5 percent.

Well that tears it! I’m going to start calling for IED control! Nobody needs and IED! Mind you, I expect it to be every bit as effective against criminals as their beloved “Gun Free except the criminal’s Zones”

Of the cases studied only 51% were still going on by the time Law Enforcement arrived, and remember, their median response time was 3 minutes.

Of the cases that ended before the police arrived, 67 percent (34) ended with attackers stopping themselves via suicide (29 cases) or by leaving the scene (5 cases). In the other 33 percent (17) of the cases that ended before the police arrived, the potential victims at the scene stopped the shooter themselves. Most commonly they physically subdued the attacker (14 cases), but 3 cases involved people at the scene shooting the perpetrator to end the attack.

And it appeared to me the majority of the cases occurred in GFZs, which could account for only 3 of the incidents being stopped by an armed citizen.

And this study didn’t include any of the terrorist attacks that have happened recently. Well, considering the Ft. Hood shooting was classified as “workplace violence”.

Since we’re seeing an increase in the attacks on both citizens and law enforcement it would seem to me like the two would be well served by having an large amount of civilians trained and carrying to save innocent lives, of both the law enforcement and civilians. But that depends on who you have elected to the office. So let’s look at a couple of different examples, shall we?

First up, we have Sheriff Wayne Ivey the Brevard County Sheriff in Florida. I admit it, I think this guy is awesome. He is calling for citizens to be armed, trained and tells of the training the Sheriff’s Office offers. How cool is he?

Then we have Austin Tx police chief Art Acevedo who takes a slightly different approach. He calls for neighbors to turn each other in if they are “gun enthusiasts” and are “full of hate” so the police can “vet” them. SCUSE ME??

But then I saw another video in the sidebar about the Austin Police Department. WOW. Apparently they have like literally NO crime in Austin. The police arrested a jogger, for jaywalking. And worse than jaywalking? She didn’t have her driver’s license on her, because she wasn’t driving, she was jogging. Papers please. They handcuffed her and threw her in the back of a squad car. Old Ace came out and defended it and said she was lucky worse didn’t happen to her. This is what Austin TEXAS elected?

Citizens, it does matter who you vote for, especially in local elections.

Law enforcement, do you really want to be this guy? There were at least some citizens that tried to help, but if the men attacking him had gotten his weapon away? What stops a bad guy with a gun when the only gun came from the only police present?

http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/265963325-story

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5 thoughts on “Support Your Local Sheriff, Maybe”

  1. “We’re still seeing incidents of law enforcement officers killed, sometimes while sitting in their cars. Despite the fact some of these officers were black, I’ve yet to hear of Black Labs Matter saying much of anything.”

    We’re still seeing incidents of civilians killed by law enforcement officers, sometimes while sitting in their cars. Despite the fact that some of these civilians were law-abiding gun owners, I’ve yet to hear of of Sheila Stokes-Begley saying much of anything.

    1. Sheila’s column is about why some sheriffs should be supported because they have citizens’ backs. It was not about panic-stricken idiots (that’s based on a guess that the Castile verdict is on your mind). She raised the point of her column and supported it with examples. Note that she also “failed” to mention speed traps, speeding cruisers, cop corruption, and any number of other abuses that have been committed by some cops. I figure she left those out because they weren’t necessary to make her point, and would have cluttered the piece and distracted from her main point. I understand your concerns and share them, but every Internet site and every blog post in the world isn’t the place for preaching about it. Please try to stay on topic, and please do so in a way that isn not unnecessarily confrontational.

      If you would like to submit a column on “incidents of civilians killed by law enforcement officers, sometimes while sitting in their cars,” written in a fashion that won’t alienate our members and fellow travelers, feel free. It should relate specifically to RKBA or Judaism, rather than be a anti-cop hit piece.

      If you can deliver a suitable finished product tonight, I’ll even run it in tomorrow’s newslettter.

  2. Thank you Carl! Mr. Knapp, thank you for adding to my point. In general how police departments and deputies in a Sheriff’s department handle things is steered from the top down. Yes of course in every department there will be weak links and shining examples, but typically rank and file take their lead from the leaders. If you have a Sheriff such as the Brevard Co. Sheriff that requires training for their officers and guidance don’t you kind of understand how the outcome of one of those officers pulling over an armed citizen might turn out vastly different than say for example, the Austin police department who can’t even competently handle a jaywalker?

    I’ve known of Sheriffs in rural counties that when there was talk of federal gun confiscation that planned to deputize the entire county, more or less. Then you have the Sheriff in Henrico county that cooperated with the feds in staking out a gun show and showing up at neighbors of the attendees telling them there neighbor was at a gun show and asking were they worried about it.

    These are elected positions. We the people decide who will fill them. Who fills them often affects how Concealed Carry Citizens are handled and treated. Comrade X is right, quite often they will not arrive in time, so NOT having a Sheriff like the one in LA county is critical https://crimeresearch.org/2017/07/concealed-handgun-permits-given-hispanics-blacks-women-los-angeles-county/

    As terrorism will continue to increase, it would be good if law enforcement and armed citizens began to form a strong team, because we are on the same team. We aren’t the ones rioting, breaking windows, attacking little old people in red baseball caps, running over people or stabbing them.

  3. Not all cops are bad nor are they good just like “we the people” there is good and bad.

    I find that the cops reflect a community in many ways.

    If the cops don’t represent a community, many communities have ways of changing that, but sadly not all.

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