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“I do not think that means what you think it means.”

Parkland “survivor” Hogglet needs his 15-minute-fame fix again.

David Hogg suggests compromise on gun control
“If this plan ends up in Congress, and they say a gun registry is a nonstarter or the assault weapons ban and mandatory gun buy back program are nonstarters, OK. Then maybe we start talking about reclassifying them and making sure you have the right permitting in place where you can still go and use them,” Hogg continued. “But people aren’t going to have nearly as easy accessibility to them to go and commit mass shootings as they are currently.”

Reclassifying semiautomatic firearms as NFA machineguns is registry, dumbass.

And that’s no compromise.

compromise [ kom-pruh-mahyz ]
noun
a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.

Hogglet’s “compromise” offers nothing to human rights-respecting gun owners in exchange for giving up or registering tens to hundreds of millions of firearms. Allowing people to beg permission, pay a $200 bribe, and register to keep their property is not compromise.

Offer to give us something.

And listen when we say, “No.”

“Or else“.

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Deprivation of Rights Is Suddenly a Bad Thing?

Young Mister Hogg, speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, made the astonishing — for him — assertion that people should not be deprived of human/civil rights because of a mere felony conviction.

“I think the most important thing to realize, however, is the problems we face as a country, whether it be water in Flint, Michigan or the mass amount of mass incarceration of people of color that can’t vote. In Florida, the number of eligible African Americans that would otherwise be eligible to vote but can’t because of a previous conviction is 21 percent. In Kentucky it’s 26 percent. In Mississippi and Alabama it’s 15 to 16 percent.”

I personally subscribe to the notion that anyone who can’t be trusted with a firearm should not be on the street without a keeper. If they’re safe to be on the loose, they’re safe to exercise constitutionally protected rights. Whether that’s voting or bearingdefensive arms.

I’m pleased to see that Hogg agr… oh. Wait.

“Why didn’t you ban bump-stocks and raise the age to purchase firearm to 21 when you said you would?”

We’ll leave aside for the moment the fact that the befuddled boy has no idea of how our constitutional representative republic works, and that no president has the lawful power to do that. And if he did rule by edict, Hogg would probably call him a dictator; “Hitler” even.

Hogg is outraged that those convicted of felonies lose rights. But stripping Second Amendment rights from people never convicted of any crime is a good thing?

This is the punk who wants the voting age lowered to 16 so they can vote to raise the age to exercise the right to keep and bear arms.

Eighteen year-olds are too immature to safely operate a simple device with three or four controls, but sixteen year-olds can operate massive motor vehicles with a plethora of controls to manipulate?

If they cannot master arms, then they certainly can’t be trusted with the far more complex instruments of democracy.


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Epithets

Eli Rosenberg, whom I would expect to know better, is upset that the Parkland Youth are being likened to Nazis.

A new epithet emerges for Parkland teens calling for more gun control: Nazis
They continue to be lightening rods for some conservative media and politicians, despite some indications that they enjoy wide support nationally. And now, they are being likened to Nazis.

Memes comparing the Parkland students to Nazis have circulated at the fringes for days, but on Tuesday seemed to find a wider audience.

I wonder what gives people that impression.

Hijacking “Never Again” to promote victim disarmament as the Nazis did with the Weapons Law of 1938 (which has its own odd connection to previous US legislation)? I keep expecting to Hogg to froth at the mouth and bring up a “final solution.”

Or maybe it’s their attire.

It couldn’t possibly be this:

Virtue Signal

Or their use of the “Big Lie” that they’re the “mass shooting generation” (then stop doing that, kids).

Mr. Rosenberg, I think you’re complaining to the wrong people about the Nazi references.


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Transparency

For students, not government:

BACKFIRE: Broward County Implements ‘Solution’ For School Violence And Students Are Not Happy
Great. Because clear backpacks are gonna fix everything. I appreciate the attempt, but I’d rather have common since gun laws than a clear backpack.

#NeverAgain #EnoughIsEnough https://t.co/1HRudeSOib
— Lauren Hogg (@lauren_hoggs) March 21, 2018

The hell with transparent backpacks. I want to see high school girls forced to wear transparent bras and blouses so they can’t hide weapons.

Not really, of course. But apparently it is going to take more than backpacks for these little immature whiners to see the irony of demanding firearms bans on honest folks with the inevitable “transparency” of searches to force compliance. It’s just “common since.”

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NA MSD: The Cowardice of Their Conviction

The Parkland students “working” for gun control mass human/civil rights violations want to have a rational discussion of their goals, without “threats”:

Parkland shooting survivors say the NRA is “basically threatening” them
“They’ve been instigating things,” Gonzalez added. “And then, when we reply, they like shy back away. They can dish it out but they can’t take it.”

“Instigating.” Remind me again of who is calling innocent people murderers. “Instigating” is responding to false accusations and rights violations?

Grow up.

Never Again MSD was offered a a chance to state their goals, to describe the laws they think will accomplish them. The Zelman Partisans gave them the opportunity to have published a detailed column, without any redactions, edits, or commentary. Since it seemed unlikely they’d see that offer on our web site, we also reached out to them multiple times through emails, Twitter, Facebook, and even gab.ai. Their response?

-crickets-

So we tried again.

-crickets-

It occurred to me that, having grown accustomed to accommodating moderators and “journalists” prompting them, they might need a little help focusing. I reached out yet again with a request for a simple email interview. It wouldn’t even be interactive, where I could spring surprise questions on them. I provided a list of prepared questions to which they could provide carefully crafted answers without time pressure.

-crickets-

Please note that I have been unable to determine a single person authorized to speak for Never Again MSD, which provides them with deniability when some Parkland student who self-identifies as NA MSD makes vague, ludicrous, and irresponsible statements.

But perhaps I’m being unfair. After all, these are students who may be busy with cla… oh. Wait. These are former students who claim they won’t return to classes until our rights are shredded.

Still, they do seem to keep busy, with oddly nonadversarial interviews, in which the ” the moderator did not stop to challenge in what amounted to a circus show.”

David Hogg says white privilege is one of the biggest obstacles he’s faced in his anti-gun agenda,

…says the white kid getting a pass from the media.

Cameron Kasky says mass shootings like Parkland “happen everyday.”

…says one of the founders of NA MSD, who one might think speaks officially for the group. And who is blissfully unaware that school shootings are down. Even leftist NPR knows that.

“We’re the mass shooting generation,” Cameron Kasky says

Really? Then stop doing that.

Or maybe you’re worried about this guy.

Those EYES

These students do have time for interviews, or to pen a column outlining their… beliefs. But somehow they will only spend that time with over-friendly venues that won’t point out their empirical lack of clothes. Venues and “journalists” who enable their ignorance.

They’re afraid of being questioned, of being called out on facts. Afraid of anything but basking in their 15 minutes of lamestream media adoration.

That they won’t even try to state their goals with clarity and specificity indicates that they know they are pushing bullshit. They even refuse to name a spokesman who can be held to account.

The cowardly little schoolyard truant bullies enjoy their life of lies too much to bravely face a less accepting commentariat.

Their only real convictions are that they are entitled to abuse and accuse the innocent, to trample on rights, and cry when someone disagrees.


[And poor little David Hogg appears to be giving up on going to college…

…what with all those rejection letters. Perhaps those colleges saw your interviews and concluded that you’re not very bright, and likely to be a campus troublemaker. That your education to date is inadequate for collegiate studies. Possibly even, they realized that under Florida law skipping too many days of class makes you ineligible for a diploma, and won’t waste a college slot on a drop-out. Funny thing…

Back in the day, I applied to several colleges. I was accepted by all of them. I went to then-Southwestern at Memphis on a partial scholarship. And I wasn’t a “brilliant” young “victim” on whose words CNN clung.]


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Smoke and Mirrors: An invitation for Never Again MSD

This has been a surreal experience. I wanted to write a column about the goals of “Never Again MSD;” specifically the laws the group wants passed.

Despite hours of investigation, I couldn’t nail it down. I honestly can’t find any specific proposal put forth by the group or anyone clearly speaking as an official spokesman. I found vague offerings.

“Run by survivors of the Stoneman Douglas shooting. We are sick of the Florida lawmakers choosing money from the NRA over our safety. #NeverAgain”
Never Again MSD, Facebook

They want a law against the NRA?

“We cannot allow one more child to be shot at school. We cannot allow one more teacher to make a choice to jump in front of a firing assault rifle to save the lives of students. We cannot allow one more family to wait for a call or text that never comes. Our schools are unsafe. Our children and teachers are dying. We must make it our top priority to save these lives. ”
NPR story

That’s what they want. But how? What laws will do that? What American school has ever been shot up by someone using an assault rifle?

“We have to vote people out who have been paid for by the N.R.A. They’re allowing this to happen. They’re making it easier for people like Nick Cruz to acquire an AR-15.”
Cameron Kasky, reported as the founder of NA MSD

That’s a little more specific: vote out anyone taking campaign donations from the NRA. Except the NRA wasn’t who allowed the person allegedly classified as a “vulnerable adult due to mental illness” to pass a NICS check; that’s on the government which failed to report a prohibited person.

“The thing that caused me grief, the thing that had no right to cause me grief, the thing that had no right to happen in the first place, I have to do something actively to prevent it from happening to somebody else.”
— Emma Gonzalez

Fine. But what? Be specific.

David Hogg says he won’t return to school until gun control is passed. Does the Florida legislation not count, or does he demand Congressional action? And what specific law(s)?

Is Mr. Hogg speaking officially for NA MSD? Was he acting in an official capacity when — the group having adopted “Never Again” as a motto, with all its historical context — he posed for a B&W photo wearing an armband strongly reminiscent of the Third Reich?

(I’ve lived in Germany, and worked with someone who lived in Nazi Germany; that image creeped me out.)

“These AR-15s, they’re weapons of war. Going to school, you’re not going to war, you’re trying to get an education.”
“I’m not going back to school on Wednesday until one bill is passed.”
Chris Grady

Again, what one bill? In this context, is he demanding a ban on AR-15s? Would that be Colt AR-15s, or any AR-pattern rifle? He speaks of “weapons of war;” does he understand that semiautomatic AR-pattern rifles are not generally issued by any country in the world to its regular troops?

“We’re just trying to just not let seventeen of us get shot in the fucking face again.”
— Cameron Kasky again

Fine. How? WHAT LAW(S) are you demanding? Speak up.

NA MSD supports the “March for Or Lives,” with equally indistinct goals:

“March For Our Lives is a movement dedicated to student-led activism around ending gun violence and the epidemic of mass shootings in our schools today. On March 24, we will take to the streets to demand that our safety become a priority. ”
March for Our Lives

How? What are your specific proposals?

Vague platitudes. Smoke and mirrors; mostly wispy smoke. Nothing solid. I see a bunch of well-meaning children (“He had thought of the name, he later told me, ‘while sitting on the toilet in my Ghostbuster pajamas.’ “) trotted out by the media to spout convenient sound bites seemingly in support of anything on the victim disarmament wishlist, while avoiding getting pinned down on anything that can be rebutted. When someone else proposes something, one or another of the kids — speaking officially? not? — utters a sorta “me, too” without explanation.

I invite Never Again MSD to write a guest column which I will publish here unedited, in which you can get specific. Tell the world what you want and how you want to accomplish it. This your chance to speak directly to the gun owners you want to persuade. Make the most of it. I suggest you consider the following points, but do as you will.

  • Who is your official spokesman?
  • Who does not speak officially for your group?
  • Are you aware of the historical context of “Never Again” and the Shoah?
  • What new laws do you want?
    • Purchase age limits?
    • Weapons bans? How broad or narrow; which weapons? Why?
    • Universal background checks?
    • Expansion of prohibited person categories?
    • Gun-free school zones?
  • Armed personnel in schools? Who?
  • Policies that allowed the MSD shooter to go unreported by authorities?
  • “Fix NICS”?

You may send your column to The Zelman Partisans HERE, at info_@_zelmanpartisans_DOT_com, or to me directly at bussjaeger_@_zelmanpartisans_DOT_com.


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I thought stealing “Never Again” was bad enough

For someone shrieking “Never Again!” he sure seems to want it to happen again.

If you must wear something, I suggest THIS, in hopes the little bastards might catch on to exactly what they’re demanding.

Added: The armband was so far over the top, that I checked other sources. But if anyone has data showing that it was fake, let me know. Some of the links showing it to be legitimate include:


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